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What are your thoughts on the issue of illegal immigration?

This is an open-ended question. I have written "The More 'We the People,' the Merrier" in a broader context:

http://shepherdmao.com/article/the-more-we-the-people-the-merrier/

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  • Forgive my ignorance but, to me, you are either White, Black, Mexican or Chinese.

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      How does someone from Southern India fit into that scheme?

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      • Alvin,

        Perhaps black due to the skin color?

        I proposed this scheme to make the point that any racial categorization is arbitrary and therefore meaningless. While the scheme I proposed sounds ridiculous, it is no more ridiculous than any common scheme to which you and I are accustomed.

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      Eric, tell it to the census bureau.

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      I guess I'm just accustomed to "black" being another word for Negro, which folks from Southern India are not, even while dark as the dickens.

      And now that I think about it, I understand many Japanese, Koreans, etc. would be quite insulted if you called them Chinese, and vice versa. Not that anybody from any other part of the world can tell one from the other (no offense).

      Categorization may be arbitrary, but that doesn't make it meaningless. Categories are very real and have very real consequences. Categories and their consequences may change over time, but they're still real.

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      @Rob, @Eric, first off, they're not *my* categories. But the categories do exist and they are real.

      E.g., you qualify for certain "bennies" in the US if you have a great-great-great-grandparent who is an American Indian ("Native American" for the PC crowd). Add one more "great" and you no longer qualify. The same holds true in Hawaii, or something similar, if you have a native Hawaiian ancestor.

      Again, these rules change. It's no longer so big a deal if you have a Negro ancestor, since a) there is no more Negro slavery and b) there are no more laws against inter-racial marriage. But, just a little over half a century ago, that made a huge difference.

      Arbitrary? Yah, you betcha.

      Meaningless? Not in 1960 if you and your intended spouse had any ancestry from different categories.

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      • Alvin,

        I understand the facts that you described. On the other hand, I used the word "meaningless" to refer to the logical (or the lack thereof) aspect of it. In practice, it matters of course, but that's exactly what I consider an abomination.

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        In other words Alvin you seem to be saying that these categories are artificial and perpetuated mostly by our government. If that is the crux of it I cannot disagree.

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    it should be illegal

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    @Eric, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

    Inter-racial marriage is trending upwards, as are societal attitudes in that regard, which will eventually render many of those distinctions as meaningless as you'd like them to be.

    It's just that right now, we're kinda stuck with it.

    It would be nice to get rid of that question on the census, tho, especially recognizing its original purpose was for the 3/5th representation of slaves. Or at least add a "Prefer not to answer" as an option, which I don't recall being on the last form.

    If memory serves, census takers were instructed to fill in that question on behalf of the people who failed to fill it in themselves. A good intermediate step to removing the question altogether would be to have a real way say "None of yer dad-gummed business."

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